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be fairly soon after that, because again, the reason why smart people like tom cole and bob corker and john cornen have said we ought to give on the tax cuts of people under 250,000 is they know that's where the thing is going to end up unless they cut some deal and bring their caucus along on some higher threshold. the president offered 400,000. they could get that. they could probably get 500,000. >> go ahead, bob. >> i was going to say now is the time when we really find out whether republican leadership is an oxymoron. we not only have to rely on john boehner having enough leadership and guts and gumption to put something on the floor his republicans are not going to vote for, but we also have to agree to go through with a bill before the senate that is basically what the president wants so it can put pressure on the republicans and the house. >> he did it in 2011 on the debt limit. >> yes, that's right. that's what people are hoping for. >> there's something fascinating to all of this. ben bernanke gave this situation the name fiscal cliff which sounds very dramatic and very scary. but
was pointing out people like johnny isaacson, tom cole in the house, conservative republicans who said look. we ought to get this done for the middle class. i think obama was saying to boehner look, i don't need to give that. >> $700 billion just for getting the middle class tax through. just for that. yeah. >> this is what he told his members in the congress. because of stories like this, that can paint the picture to the voters that obama's not playing ball. >> trying to explain this to somebody from pluto. say in australia now. saying when congress wrote the cliff, defined it, spend cuts, increases on income, tax increase on state. they wrote it up as this horrible thing that nobody would want to face. either side, right? they designed it that way. now they're walking right over that cliff. over niagra falls. explain. >> it's like congress is on pluto and we're all on earth. they say they want deficit reduction. if you go over the cliff, you get deficit reduction, you just don't get it in the responsible, accountable way. it's like chopping off on arm. >> like says i want a shower, i'm going
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